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	<title>Comments on: Bar Chefs &#8211; Are Job Titles Important?</title>
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		<title>By: Job Titles (Part Two) &#124; Everyone Read It!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job Titles (Part Two) &#124; Everyone Read It!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Job Titles (Part Two) — hr bartender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job Titles (Part Two) — hr bartender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hr bartender</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbartender.com/2009/recruiting/bar-chefs-are-job-titles-important/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>hr bartender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it’s really interesting to read everyone’s take on job titles and the need to fully understand what a person actually does.  If titles have so little face value, I wonder if we could dispense with them completely.  Hmmm…maybe another post in the works…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it’s really interesting to read everyone’s take on job titles and the need to fully understand what a person actually does.  If titles have so little face value, I wonder if we could dispense with them completely.  Hmmm…maybe another post in the works…</p>
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		<title>By: Elias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recruiter, I have to be careful of titles.  It is too easy for recruiters to skip over someone&#039;s resume for a programming job, for example, if the candidate&#039;s title was &quot;Software Development Manager&quot;.  Maybe they only managed one other developer, and were still very hands-on.  

So when you apply for a job, it&#039;s important to make sure your title doesn&#039;t get you ruled out on the initial screening of your resume.  Sometimes it is as easy as making your title &quot;Software Development Manager / Software Developer&quot;, in my last example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recruiter, I have to be careful of titles.  It is too easy for recruiters to skip over someone&#8217;s resume for a programming job, for example, if the candidate&#8217;s title was &#8220;Software Development Manager&#8221;.  Maybe they only managed one other developer, and were still very hands-on.  </p>
<p>So when you apply for a job, it&#8217;s important to make sure your title doesn&#8217;t get you ruled out on the initial screening of your resume.  Sometimes it is as easy as making your title &#8220;Software Development Manager / Software Developer&#8221;, in my last example.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Haun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance Haun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think titles are important for some external customers but it always goes back to what a person does and what makes sense. My guidance has always been to think about the duties and nail those down. With those duties in mind, think about a time when you&#039;ve interacted as a customer or client with a person with similar duties. 

I always think about all of the &quot;VP&#039;s&quot; I&#039;ve talked to at big consulting firms and how its meaning can be diluted by gradual title shifts in certain industries. That&#039;s an obvious downside to this approach though I do still think it is the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think titles are important for some external customers but it always goes back to what a person does and what makes sense. My guidance has always been to think about the duties and nail those down. With those duties in mind, think about a time when you&#8217;ve interacted as a customer or client with a person with similar duties. </p>
<p>I always think about all of the &#8220;VP&#8217;s&#8221; I&#8217;ve talked to at big consulting firms and how its meaning can be diluted by gradual title shifts in certain industries. That&#8217;s an obvious downside to this approach though I do still think it is the best.</p>
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		<title>By: TheHRPrincess</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think titles can be misleading...there&#039;s no consistency!  I know HR Managers at some companies who have much bigger jobs and manage more people than some HR Directors.  I think fun titles are catchy, but maybe not always appropriate...depends on the business.   I personally have never been big on titles. 

I refer to myself as The HR Princess because many years ago I got a call from a corporate VP who asked me about the Plant GM I worked for, &quot;Does he think that&#039;s his little kingdom?!?&quot; and I said, &quot;Yes, he does, and i&#039;m the HR Princess.&quot;  It certainly was well remembered.   Those were the days of Camelot...LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think titles can be misleading&#8230;there&#8217;s no consistency!  I know HR Managers at some companies who have much bigger jobs and manage more people than some HR Directors.  I think fun titles are catchy, but maybe not always appropriate&#8230;depends on the business.   I personally have never been big on titles. </p>
<p>I refer to myself as The HR Princess because many years ago I got a call from a corporate VP who asked me about the Plant GM I worked for, &#8220;Does he think that&#8217;s his little kingdom?!?&#8221; and I said, &#8220;Yes, he does, and i&#8217;m the HR Princess.&#8221;  It certainly was well remembered.   Those were the days of Camelot&#8230;LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more inclined to agree with the &quot;not important&quot; side of it for the reason that you said - it&#039;s about the work that you&#039;re doing. I was promoted at one point from HR Coordinator to HR Representative - my boss (the HR Manager) and I are the only ones that actually knew what the difference between them were (which, for the record, was going from a non-exempt to an exempt position...but my level of responsibility remained exactly the same). And as a side note...lol @adowling - I want my company to adopt the title HR Ninja for me so I can officially call myself that!

If someone told me they were a &quot;Bar Chef&quot;, I would give them a blank look and ask for a clarification. I do understand that it adds a little bit of intrigue and can instill more pride in the same way that &quot;Administrative Assistant&quot; is much better than &quot;Secretary&quot; or &quot;Clerk&quot;, but if what someone calls himself or herself doesn&#039;t actually explain what they do, then what&#039;s the point in having it at all?

In my organization, we have problems with job titles and job roles. Your role is the function that you&#039;re actually filling while the title refers to &quot;VP&quot; or &quot;Shareholder&quot; and there is nothing tying the two together. It makes things difficult for us sometimes, especially because employees don&#039;t understand that these are two separate tracks to climb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more inclined to agree with the &#8220;not important&#8221; side of it for the reason that you said &#8211; it&#8217;s about the work that you&#8217;re doing. I was promoted at one point from HR Coordinator to HR Representative &#8211; my boss (the HR Manager) and I are the only ones that actually knew what the difference between them were (which, for the record, was going from a non-exempt to an exempt position&#8230;but my level of responsibility remained exactly the same). And as a side note&#8230;lol @adowling &#8211; I want my company to adopt the title HR Ninja for me so I can officially call myself that!</p>
<p>If someone told me they were a &#8220;Bar Chef&#8221;, I would give them a blank look and ask for a clarification. I do understand that it adds a little bit of intrigue and can instill more pride in the same way that &#8220;Administrative Assistant&#8221; is much better than &#8220;Secretary&#8221; or &#8220;Clerk&#8221;, but if what someone calls himself or herself doesn&#8217;t actually explain what they do, then what&#8217;s the point in having it at all?</p>
<p>In my organization, we have problems with job titles and job roles. Your role is the function that you&#8217;re actually filling while the title refers to &#8220;VP&#8221; or &#8220;Shareholder&#8221; and there is nothing tying the two together. It makes things difficult for us sometimes, especially because employees don&#8217;t understand that these are two separate tracks to climb.</p>
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